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The comics are cheaper.\u201d That said, I kept ducking in and out of depression. At one point, my therapist told me, \u201cBut you weren\u2019t in Auschwitz. You were in Rego Park.\u201d With that, he was saying, \u201cdeal with your own reality, not your father\u2019s.\u201d I tried to incorporate that into the book. 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